{"id":5306,"date":"2025-06-30T14:34:44","date_gmt":"2025-06-30T19:34:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/?p=5306"},"modified":"2025-06-30T14:34:45","modified_gmt":"2025-06-30T19:34:45","slug":"veeder-root-counter","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/?p=5306","title":{"rendered":"Veeder-Root Counter"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">One favorite hobby of mine is visiting flea markets and antique stores, looking for inexpensive and weird pieces of technology, and figuring out what they do. The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/?p=5282\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/?p=5282\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Mystery Telco Box<\/a> is a good example; I knew it would be interesting but had no real idea what it did. (It&#8217;s a monophone power unit.) <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Another gizmo bought roughly around the same time is a Veeder-Root device with a six-digit counter on it. The only control visible is a digit-reset wheel, which seemed to work correctly. It was clearly either a counter or timer &#8212; hard to tell which. (It could easily be based on a 60Hz AC motor, or could count pulses.) <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"988\" height=\"384\" src=\"https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/front_sm.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-5307\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/front_sm.png 988w, https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/front_sm-300x117.png 300w, https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/front_sm-768x298.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 988px) 100vw, 988px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">The front of the device (after some testing)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" src=\"https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/plate_sm-2-1024x768.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-5310\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/plate_sm-2-1024x768.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/plate_sm-2-300x225.png 300w, https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/plate_sm-2-768x576.png 768w, https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/plate_sm-2.png 1156w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><br>The manufacturer&#8217;s plate, showing the model and expected voltage.<br>Still doesn&#8217;t directly say what it is. (I could look online, but that&#8217;s cheating&#8230;)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It wasn&#8217;t immediately obvious how to open it, other than removing the front cover plate. Loosening the four screws around the connection wires just seemed to loosen an internal piece, so I put them back in place. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Eventually, I noticed a drop of dried pitch in the middle of one side. Scraping it off revealed a flat-blade screw (the only mainstream choice <em>worse<\/em> than Phillips.) It came out with a minimum of fuss (for once), allowing the two halves of the cover to be removed. Pretty slick design, honestly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" src=\"https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/inside_sm-1-1024x768.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-5313\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/inside_sm-1-1024x768.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/inside_sm-1-300x225.png 300w, https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/inside_sm-1-768x576.png 768w, https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/inside_sm-1.png 1156w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">With the covers removed, the inside is visible.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Now that the mechanism was visible, the device could be seen to be a counter. Two electromagnets work in tandem to pull a metal bar to advance the count. (The only problem was, manually pushing on this bar didn&#8217;t quite advance the count &#8212; the mechanism was out of adjustment.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" src=\"https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/mechanism_sm-1024x768.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-5314\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/mechanism_sm-1024x768.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/mechanism_sm-300x225.png 300w, https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/mechanism_sm-768x576.png 768w, https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/mechanism_sm.png 1156w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">The back side, showing the escapement mechanism that advances the count.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A little experimentation revealed the problem &#8212; the bar was being pulled to the electromagnets correctly (<em>good &#8212; I really didn&#8217;t want to re-wind the coils)<\/em>, but wasn&#8217;t being pushed back far enough by the spring to catch the next digit. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Veeder-Root helpfully provided a set screw for this function (and another for the backstop). By turning it almost to the end of its travel, I was able to get it to tension the spring enough to push the plate back in place, allowing a complete count. But we&#8217;re out of set screw at this point &#8212; if it fails again, it needs a new spring (or for this spring to be uncompressed a bit.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"644\" height=\"483\" src=\"https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/setscrew_sm.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-5318\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/setscrew_sm.png 644w, https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/setscrew_sm-300x225.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 644px) 100vw, 644px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">The set screws. The top one tensions the spring, and is about as far in as it can go.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This counter will probably be a static museum display piece, so I don&#8217;t need it to be reliable. (Otherwise, I&#8217;d have replaced the spring.) But it&#8217;s working now, and (at least with a new spring) should keep on working for another eighty years or more.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Veeder-Root counter test\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/WjIMJmtHsq4?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Testing the repaired counter.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A mystery Veeder-Root counter is investigated and repaired. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/?p=5306\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_exactmetrics_skip_tracking":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[508,380,423],"tags":[846,851,850,849,847,848,852],"class_list":["post-5306","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-mechanical","category-reverse-engineering","category-troubleshooting","tag-counter","tag-electromechanical","tag-mechanical-counter","tag-solenoid","tag-veeder-root","tag-veeder-root-counter","tag-vintage-tech"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5306","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=5306"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5306\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5320,"href":"https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5306\/revisions\/5320"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=5306"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=5306"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.paleotechnologist.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=5306"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}